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adrienne2. She made the comment about Weir and her teacher voice, and her whole I'm a diplomat kind of out of my element thing. She pointed out the whole argument she had with Kavanaugh and the eyebrow raising and how Weir basically tries to use body language like speech, which doesn't really work because Weir isn't all that good and lying with her body and that's how she ends up looking like she's taking on a role whenever she's chewing out somebody calmly and superciliously. For example, when she was telling Caldwell about her connections w/ the president during 2x02.
I don't know how much of the unconvincing body language is Weir and how much is Torri Higginson and her acting. Which is to say, I don't know how much of it we as an audience are supposed to buy. I prefer not to buy it, because what what makes me like Elizabeth is the idea that this is not the real her. That her teacher voice is a voice she takes on and not just the way she talks, because if it were really who she was, she would be unbearable to me and I could no longer find her attractive. The Tracy Flick-ness is so not hot. I prefer to think of Weir as trying too hard then to think that she naturally talks like an infomercial. I prefer a Weir who acts the patronizing alpha bitch when she has to to a Weir who is naturally patronizing.
What I love about the Ronon/Weir pairing, beyond the simple aesthetic appeal of it, is that Weir's teacher voice just flat out doesn't work on Ronon. I love that one exchange they had when Weir was like, "I'm thinking about it...well, I guess we'll get back to each other then." I love that her teacher fell flat because going on my assumption that the teacher voice is not her real voice, this means that Weir is forced to be her real self around Ronon because her diplomatic Tracy Flick front doesn't work on him.
And, well, I truly believe that the front has to be a front. It can't be the real her. Because SGA is chock full of flawed characters, and it doesn't make any sense for her to be the sole one-dimensional character who isn't flawed.
I think if I could just get the two of them trapped in the same room long enough Ronon would piss the hell out of Weir and after clamming up for a while, she'd end up blurting things she totally didn't mean to say out loud. Of course, they'd have to be stuck in the same room for a good long time. But then, that's what PWP's are for.
There's also the thing where, I don't know why, but while I can easily picture Ronon rubbing off on another guy, I find it harder to picture him doing oral sex. Which isn't to say I don't think he would suck cock, but I think he'd be really out of his depth doing it. I can't actually picture a scene where Ronon administers oral sex that isn't an awkward first time scene. Not that I don't have love for awkward first time sex. Hell, I love awkward sex period. But. Eating pussy? He'd have the cat that ate the canary look on his face the whole damn time. The Ronon in my head? Likes it down there. It's his goddamn happy place.
Okay, now we'll go into why I find the character Ronon utterly delightful. First off, because he is OMGSOTOTALLYGORGEOUS. Seriously. Damn.
But I'm getting distracted.
I love that he's such a regular guy. I mean, Weir was a teacher's pet. Rodney was a terminal geek. John was a geek faking it as a popular kid. I'd say Teyla was student body president and captain of every girls sports team. Ronon was just a regular guy. He got A's and B's in his non-honors classes. He was first string football player, but probably not quarterback.
Okay, I'm stopping the high school metaphors now.
His country lived in a constant state of war, so he was recruited into the military at 16. He did not live a charmed life or anything, but Ronon was a regular guy. Okay, he wasn't. He survived the wraith for seven years, so clearly he's something extraordinary. But I have a feeling that aspect of him was completely and utterly dormant before his wraith capture. People who truly excel at survival don't find out about it until they are thrown into the kind of situation where death is around every corner.
He's still a little bit of a loose cannon because he's been outside society in fight or flight mode for so long. At the same time, he's not having too much trouble fitting in because the rest of the team members aren't particularly good at fitting in either. I think Ford, who was also a regular guy, but who didn't go through years of wraith trauma, had a harder time fitting in -- if only because he was so much younger than the rest of them that even John, who is mentally 14, saw him as a kid.
Which brings me to the Ronon/Teyla dynamic. I love their rapport in 2x06. The whole puppyish "You have a car and I don't know how to drive yet please take me with you" / "It's gonna be really boring" / "Yeah, yeah, whatever, pleeeease!" / "Okay fine, but behave" / "OMGAWESOME!"
I love how he slams the knife down on the table like big brother defending little sister, overreacting and overprotective because he hasn't had family in so long and he's still, like I said, a bit of a loose cannon from the whole post-traumatic running from the wraith thing. Even more do I love Teyla, ulitmate awesome alpha female, informing him that no, he is not the big brother, she is the big sister, and (to quoteadrienne2) just because he shot up eight inches at age 16 doesn't mean she forgot what it was like picking bugs out of his nose when he was two and don't ever, ever embarrass her in public like that again.
This impression of their dynamic is only cemented, I think, by their second conversation, after Ronon shoots his old commander, in which Teyla tells Ronin "I understood what you did, but the others will not....so we're not telling them." This exchange only reminds me of a conversation I had with my big sister when I was little after I got in a fight and her telling me, "If you're going to hit somebody, hit them in the stomach where the teachers can't see" (word for word, I swear to god -- I was a violent little girl, but luckily I got over it).
I'm still laughing at the whole "you guys make a cute couple thing" (why? because they're both brown? okay, maybe I'm overreacting, but I didn't find that guy particularly likeable) and Ronon looking at Teyla like "Eew. She's my sister. Eeeeeeeeeew."
Uhm. Insert conclusion here.
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adrienne2. She made the comment about Weir and her teacher voice, and her whole I'm a diplomat kind of out of my element thing. She pointed out the whole argument she had with Kavanaugh and the eyebrow raising and how Weir basically tries to use body language like speech, which doesn't really work because Weir isn't all that good and lying with her body and that's how she ends up looking like she's taking on a role whenever she's chewing out somebody calmly and superciliously. For example, when she was telling Caldwell about her connections w/ the president during 2x02.I don't know how much of the unconvincing body language is Weir and how much is Torri Higginson and her acting. Which is to say, I don't know how much of it we as an audience are supposed to buy. I prefer not to buy it, because what what makes me like Elizabeth is the idea that this is not the real her. That her teacher voice is a voice she takes on and not just the way she talks, because if it were really who she was, she would be unbearable to me and I could no longer find her attractive. The Tracy Flick-ness is so not hot. I prefer to think of Weir as trying too hard then to think that she naturally talks like an infomercial. I prefer a Weir who acts the patronizing alpha bitch when she has to to a Weir who is naturally patronizing.
What I love about the Ronon/Weir pairing, beyond the simple aesthetic appeal of it, is that Weir's teacher voice just flat out doesn't work on Ronon. I love that one exchange they had when Weir was like, "I'm thinking about it...well, I guess we'll get back to each other then." I love that her teacher fell flat because going on my assumption that the teacher voice is not her real voice, this means that Weir is forced to be her real self around Ronon because her diplomatic Tracy Flick front doesn't work on him.
And, well, I truly believe that the front has to be a front. It can't be the real her. Because SGA is chock full of flawed characters, and it doesn't make any sense for her to be the sole one-dimensional character who isn't flawed.
I think if I could just get the two of them trapped in the same room long enough Ronon would piss the hell out of Weir and after clamming up for a while, she'd end up blurting things she totally didn't mean to say out loud. Of course, they'd have to be stuck in the same room for a good long time. But then, that's what PWP's are for.
There's also the thing where, I don't know why, but while I can easily picture Ronon rubbing off on another guy, I find it harder to picture him doing oral sex. Which isn't to say I don't think he would suck cock, but I think he'd be really out of his depth doing it. I can't actually picture a scene where Ronon administers oral sex that isn't an awkward first time scene. Not that I don't have love for awkward first time sex. Hell, I love awkward sex period. But. Eating pussy? He'd have the cat that ate the canary look on his face the whole damn time. The Ronon in my head? Likes it down there. It's his goddamn happy place.
Okay, now we'll go into why I find the character Ronon utterly delightful. First off, because he is OMGSOTOTALLYGORGEOUS. Seriously. Damn.
But I'm getting distracted.
I love that he's such a regular guy. I mean, Weir was a teacher's pet. Rodney was a terminal geek. John was a geek faking it as a popular kid. I'd say Teyla was student body president and captain of every girls sports team. Ronon was just a regular guy. He got A's and B's in his non-honors classes. He was first string football player, but probably not quarterback.
Okay, I'm stopping the high school metaphors now.
His country lived in a constant state of war, so he was recruited into the military at 16. He did not live a charmed life or anything, but Ronon was a regular guy. Okay, he wasn't. He survived the wraith for seven years, so clearly he's something extraordinary. But I have a feeling that aspect of him was completely and utterly dormant before his wraith capture. People who truly excel at survival don't find out about it until they are thrown into the kind of situation where death is around every corner.
He's still a little bit of a loose cannon because he's been outside society in fight or flight mode for so long. At the same time, he's not having too much trouble fitting in because the rest of the team members aren't particularly good at fitting in either. I think Ford, who was also a regular guy, but who didn't go through years of wraith trauma, had a harder time fitting in -- if only because he was so much younger than the rest of them that even John, who is mentally 14, saw him as a kid.
Which brings me to the Ronon/Teyla dynamic. I love their rapport in 2x06. The whole puppyish "You have a car and I don't know how to drive yet please take me with you" / "It's gonna be really boring" / "Yeah, yeah, whatever, pleeeease!" / "Okay fine, but behave" / "OMGAWESOME!"
I love how he slams the knife down on the table like big brother defending little sister, overreacting and overprotective because he hasn't had family in so long and he's still, like I said, a bit of a loose cannon from the whole post-traumatic running from the wraith thing. Even more do I love Teyla, ulitmate awesome alpha female, informing him that no, he is not the big brother, she is the big sister, and (to quote
adrienne2) just because he shot up eight inches at age 16 doesn't mean she forgot what it was like picking bugs out of his nose when he was two and don't ever, ever embarrass her in public like that again.This impression of their dynamic is only cemented, I think, by their second conversation, after Ronon shoots his old commander, in which Teyla tells Ronin "I understood what you did, but the others will not....so we're not telling them." This exchange only reminds me of a conversation I had with my big sister when I was little after I got in a fight and her telling me, "If you're going to hit somebody, hit them in the stomach where the teachers can't see" (word for word, I swear to god -- I was a violent little girl, but luckily I got over it).
I'm still laughing at the whole "you guys make a cute couple thing" (why? because they're both brown? okay, maybe I'm overreacting, but I didn't find that guy particularly likeable) and Ronon looking at Teyla like "Eew. She's my sister. Eeeeeeeeeew."
Uhm. Insert conclusion here.
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Date: 2005-09-17 09:53 pm (UTC)*coughs*
I wouldn't be snarky, though. No, not I!
I think it could be a romantic vibe, but I suspect that Ronan presently looks at her as a warrior, an equal, and someone with whom his testosterone doesn't require he compete every time she does something better than him.
But I'll still blame you for all the Elizabeth/Ronan that I'm going to write!